im still bullish

Started Jul 02 2009 at 10:48AM (EST) (By ellkell)

Symbols: PM, DEO, MO, IWM, EOD, EW, SPY, TA, FHCO, BOOM, COW

in spite of recent hammering im still bullish. furthermore, i think today is an outstanding opportunity to buy in. it hasnt fallen this hard so fast in quite a long time and it seems to be coming from outside the american markets. a bull must only charge at a red flag...

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guliamo

guliamo

Jul 02 2009 at 10:52AM (EST)

I was born bullish, but agree all the same..

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musaleen

musaleen

Jul 02 2009 at 11:08AM (EST)

Agreed there are some great bargains, some stock is already creeping up.

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beancounter

beancounter

Jul 02 2009 at 11:40AM (EST)

One thing I'd recommend for investment consideration AND a good 4th of July celebration, - COW (for grillin'! ) and BOOM (fireworks, get it?) and then a little DEO, and BUD, and if you're lucky, you might need FHCO, and then after a little MO to round out the weekend.....

Have a great 4th y'all.

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Gurughantal

Gurughantal

Jul 02 2009 at 1:14PM (EST)

I am bullish till 2:30 PM I will take short position at EOD around 912 SPX.

We will see mini crash on Monday to 880-875 levels. that will decide if we have confirmed trend change or we are still going to make new highs.

Good luck everyone.

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ellkell

ellkell

Jul 02 2009 at 1:15PM (EST)

yesterday i was bullish too but missed the boat. i thought a correction might take place, so i have been aggressively dollar cost averaging my entry point. this means ive been manipulating my cost basis lower. it has worked well. on a huge down day im actually slightly up!

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 02 2009 at 2:12PM (EST)

I'm waiting for that 875-880 level too. There may end up being some sideways action / consolidation there. Whichever way the market moves from there, I believe will determine the general direction for awhile.

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beancounter

beancounter

Jul 02 2009 at 2:16PM (EST)

Volume is coming in big time so far.

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Gurughantal

Gurughantal

Jul 02 2009 at 4:23PM (EST)

Close below 900 changed a lot of thing. we are heading to 875-880 level.

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 02 2009 at 4:54PM (EST)

Agreed - but I thought we were heading there whether we closed above 900 or not...... That's going to be the major pivot area......

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korenidan87

korenidan87

Jul 02 2009 at 5:08PM (EST)

I don't see how you can be bullish at all.. we will probably not go to new lows... but i think a move to around 740-850 on the SPX.. is the likely outcome of this H&S on the daily... once the 875-880 level breaks..

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 02 2009 at 5:35PM (EST)

I tend to think we will break down as well, but there are many Eilliot Wave people there that say there is one more final leg up in the market - a push to 989. I am not an EW guy so I really don't know, but if enough people watch it so that alone could influence the markets.....

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korenidan87

korenidan87

Jul 02 2009 at 7:07PM (EST)

well nope.. there's nothing that dictates another leg up... in EW... there hasn't really been any sub-waves this move higher... you sorta have to assume that this whole move higher is just one bigger wave...

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 02 2009 at 7:12PM (EST)

I'm in no position to argue EW. If I never heard of it, my opinion would be there is going to be consolidation at 875-880, followed by a hard break down to 810-820.

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korenidan87

korenidan87

Jul 02 2009 at 7:19PM (EST)

That's my view... i think we might dip a little lower monday.. reverse... then hit 880 and form some upward movement only to be reversed at a max of 923ish.. and then down we go to at least 850.. if not 815.. if not 740 if not 660 if not 580 if not 550

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ellkell

ellkell

Jul 02 2009 at 9:50PM (EST)

its a trading market. still undecided and not trending yet. that leads me to believe todays fall was just putting spring in the north coil...

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Gurughantal

Gurughantal

Jul 03 2009 at 2:17PM (EST)

According to my charts, what I see is a retest of 880-875 if we break that the next support is around 840-830 area. from there we will get one more leg up to 880-875 and from that straight down to 780-770 area.

I am not going to make bold call but I don't see new lows before Sept/Oct of this yr.

Most investors who are bearish are expecting another crash but it won't happen. For another crash we need another bubble. I think we have a debt/deficit bubble coming but it's not going to bust this yr. it will take at least 1-2yrs to bust.

Till than we are going to experience "W" trend. up-down-up-down kind of chart.

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 03 2009 at 4:23PM (EST)

I guess it all depends on what you define as "crash" and "bubble"...... To me, a 3 month run up of 40% in the general market is at least a mini-bubble of sorts, especially in light of the fundamentals. If there had been growth, increased employment, etc, the argument could be made that at least some of the run up is fairly supported. However, we've seen great declines among very important metrics, WHILE the market ran up 40%. It seems to me the market should have been declining during this period, not advancing. Consequently, I'm of the opinion that the 40% run up is a lot of hot air since the earnings aren't there to support it. When earnings start coming out for Q2, I believe this will become obvious to naysayers.....

And on whether or not a possible coming decline is a crash, I suppose that's open to interpretation as well. If we simply retest March 9 lows is that a "crash"? Or is it not a crash since we've already been at that level? If we reach March 9 lows in one week vs. 4 months, is one scenario a crash while the other is not?

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 06 2009 at 2:23PM (EST)

And now it appears that we're zeroing in on the 875-880 range......

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korenidan87

korenidan87

Jul 07 2009 at 1:49AM (EST)

move towards 90.50 first then a push lower..

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ellkell

ellkell

Jul 07 2009 at 7:39AM (EST)

you guys called it. what can i say...

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beancounter

beancounter

Jul 07 2009 at 7:56AM (EST)

Agree with Korenidan87, a little pop, then south.

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Gurughantal

Gurughantal

Jul 07 2009 at 9:18AM (EST)

SPX cash shouldn't violate 906/908 area. As far as we are below that on SPX we are heading to 870-868 area.

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SoCalStoli

SoCalStoli

Jul 07 2009 at 2:05PM (EST)

Anybody else seeing a head and shoulders reversal forming in the weekly chart for SPX or DJIA?

If it is...that would mean a drop back to about 800 (SPX) or 8000 (DJIA). If there's a reversal there, it could be a very, VERY nice ride back up.

Theory is that the H&S reversal breakout will match the same distance covered from the head to the neckline...which would take things back up around 12,000 on the DJIA!

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beancounter

beancounter

Jul 07 2009 at 2:13PM (EST)

If the volumes come back in or they really start to dry out on the way down, as we get to those levels, imo, yeah, we could turn back around. I'm just trying to be "right" onthis leg of move down, unlike the last one. :-)

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 07 2009 at 3:14PM (EST)

I've found that using MACD's histogram on SPY, used in conjuction with slow stochastics, gives a good since of market direction with only a one day lag.

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SoCalStoli

SoCalStoli

Jul 07 2009 at 3:27PM (EST)

DH - ditto here. (My defaults include RSI and Acc/Dis as well...for "flavor", if you will!)

Divergence signals on the MACD and SloSto have been spot-on in most time frames - weekly, daily, and 60-min.

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ellkell

ellkell

Jul 07 2009 at 3:37PM (EST)

im parking in gold and going back to the overnight special hop...

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beancounter

beancounter

Jul 07 2009 at 3:40PM (EST)

On the IWM we're just into the high of the day of the May 13th low but we don't appear to have the volume to close inside it. If we do, we'll drop another 2-3% on the Russell 2k. Might take a day or two. (IWM's proxy.) But man, the Nas is leading it down. wow...

Bond auctions will be a spectator sport this week....

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 07 2009 at 3:57PM (EST)

Not sure why I couldn't write english in my last message, but I guess it was understood all the same.

Anyway.....here we are, right at SPX 880

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Gurughantal

Gurughantal

Jul 07 2009 at 4:03PM (EST)

I am going long now at close.

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 07 2009 at 4:42PM (EST)

Going long here will probably work, but I'm not going long - yet. I need to wait for my indicators to show some reversal and they haven't yet. I may miss the best entry day but I'd rather have at least some confirmation of a reversal.

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Gurughantal

Gurughantal

Jul 07 2009 at 7:33PM (EST)

I just initiated partial long and I will add more on the dip.

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dirtyharry

dirtyharry

Jul 07 2009 at 8:16PM (EST)

Gurughantal - Try following the MACD histogram on SPY. When I see it reversing course, I use that as a primary directional indicator (with some exceptions such as a longer term trending MACD, major common technical formations, etc).

I'd be curious to see if you find it useful.

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Gurughantal

Gurughantal

Jul 08 2009 at 4:40PM (EST)

Thanks DH,

I am using MACD with other indicators since I started leaning TA. I agree MACD on 5/15min and 1hr/daily chart is very important.

:-) Cheers!!

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